• Patrick Norris

86. Philip Engle – Leadership and Organizational Development



Welcome to Episode #86 of the Red Ink Revival Leadership Podcast. Today’s conversation is with leadership and organizational development coach Philip Engle, as we talk through how to develop your organization and those you lead.

Philip is a senior coach for FOCUS 412, an organization that partners with churches to help them grow both numerically and in health. He has been actively leading in the church for the last 13 years, including being as a campus pastor at Elevation Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, and roles at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. In Philip’s time at Elevation, he met and led with Phil Klein, a Harvard Business School graduate and C-Suite Executive at Time Warner and AT&T. When Phil launched FOCUS 412, Philip was immediately made a senior coach.


Our podcast conversation takes us into the following:

  • Philip’s story of faith and career moves that led him to FOCUS 412.

  • What he learned from leading at Elevation and Passion City.

  • The power of creating team and organizational culture.

  • Holding teammates “accountable for” is about loving them well in their pursuit of growth.

  • Emotional anxieties that prevent leaders from speaking accountability into teammates.

  • The differences between being goal oriented and relationship oriented.

  • How leading with an open hand generates loyalty.

  • The difference between content leaders and relational leaders.

  • How great leaders must grow in both competency and emotional wholeness.

  • How culture must have specific organizational “sounds”.

  • How leadership principles are the same for both organizations and families.

  • How clarity brings organizational and team security, and a lack of clarity brings anxiety.

  • The importance of fighting for organizational simplicity, as we are always tempted towards complexity.

  • Why church leadership structures and systems are Biblical Christianity, rather than secular corporate ideologies.

  • How corporate principles go off rails when the organization’s relationships are not led with healthy, emotional intelligence.

  • How leadership pipelines work and why they are so important for future growth.

If you have questions you would like addressed in a future episode, topics you would enjoy hearing, or just want to give us feedback, we would love to hear from you. Email us at redinkrevival@gmail.com.


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Edited and produced by Evan (Emac) McAlister.

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